Originally Posted by dukegotgame

you make zero sense. but i guess because the almighty terror 9999 said it i should take it to the bank?

please make an effort to make a logical arguement in the future.

here is a outline of how to do so:

step 1- do some research on the subject- this usually helps so you don't sound like a dumbass when you talk
step 2- form your opinion
step 3- present your opinion logically and provide some sort of supported evidence to back up your claim
step 4- cite your sources- anybody can spout off bs but it doesnt hold any water unless you can prove what you say

Originally Posted by Terror 9999

lol & u still do nothin but throw insults around.....U haven't made a solid point yet as to why he is an Elite

Originally Posted by Terror 9999

Thats because Tim Duncan actually is an Elite but im not gonna compare him to Duncan cus hes has Championship rings....a more comparible guy would be Dirk Nowitki who can shoot & whos gm isn't flashy & does't rely on crossovers

the difference is Dirk is Elite & Joe is not...

Originally Posted by dukegotgame

joe cant lead his team? joe isnt elite? joe isnt clutch?

whattttttttt?????


lol people trying to to tell me ray allen, rip hamiltion, vince carter, manu ginobili, etc are better than jj?

what the....


lol all u gotta do is peep the stats.. if thats not enough maybe you saw these past two games... you know where jj put the hawks on his back against the best team in the nba to tie up the series? the hawks with the fewest wins to make the playoffs, an extremely young team against the celtics.. the vets with almost 70 wins destined for the title...


I PROMISE YOU THE ONLY OTHER TWO PLAYERS WHO COULD DO WHAT JOE DOES FOR THE HAWKS ARE KOBE AND LEBRON.

not manu who plays with tim duncan lolol, ray allen who plays with 2 other stars and 100 vets, not vince who couldnt even make the playoffs, not tmac who is about to be put out of the playoffs AGAIN, not rip who is on the stacked pistons and still needs 1002030040303 screens to even get open...

anyone who watched the game saw joe d up and lock down whoever he guarded. they then saw him bring the ball up, get the offense started, get open, and score. he dropped dimes.. he DID EVERYTHING...oh and the celtics have the best d in the league..

and yet some of you say this guy isnt elite... lllllllooooool

Originally Posted by gush

dirk
duncan
cp3
lebron
kobe
kg
dwight
^ all elite i dont think your boy could fit in any of their shoes

Originally Posted by dukegotgame

the hypocrisy of whatsreallygood:

so you admit you dont know **** on this subject, but then write a full blown essay anyway lol

that's about as smart as me going up to a electrical engineer and saying "hey dude i admit i never got a degree in EE and well i really only saw a couple shows about it on the discovery channel but i was looking at your specs and they dont look right, here is what you should do."

you know its okay not to be right all the time.. i can tell you havent grasped that yet though because i am slowly beginning to realize you are not capable of realizing you are wrong and will continue to argue and argue to no end if someone keeps responding. you remind me of the guy you play poker with who made a bad bluff and got called on it.. but instead of folding he lets his pride get in the way and keeps on raising the stakes only to lose all his chips..

Joe Johnson - Atlanta Hawks - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

lmao. 22 ppg, 6apg, 5rpg, 84 from the strike, 40 from the 3, 45 from the field... i believe 2nd in the league in mpg.. yeah thats not elite. last year, only 25 ppg with 5 dimes and 5 boards.

on a team where he gets doubled all the damn time because the hawks do not have any other elite scorers.

ARE U ****ING KIDDING ME? the only player in the nba who averages more apg than joe who is not a pg is lebron. and only about 13 pg's average more apg than JJ. loooooooooooooooool
you say his assists are good as if "yeah ok hes good at that but its no big deal."
no my man, joe is ****ing AMAZING/ELITE/ at passing and his assists reflect that

thats cool.. but then you say this:

wait i thought u said u dont respect a SG who puts up 20 ppg?
lets not forget JJ team made the playoffs and monta's did not. monta plays for the warriors where the system they run inflates everyone's stats. its no secret why journyman like stephen jackson can put up near 20 a game in GS. also monta will never be doubled with all the weapons GS has.


you dont respect JJ bc his team doesn't win games.. okay funny what you said in the next paragraph

wait didn't you just get through telling me a few sentences ago you don't respect joe johnson putting big numbers up on a team who doesnt win games? lmao, and now you use it as a reason why pierce is better.

so which is it? just a few posts ago i heard u dogging a bunch of the hawks players saying they are talented but young and inexperienced.. but now u expect JJ to carry a team you dont respect in the first place further than the playoffs. apparently making the playoffs does not impress you. you cant have it both ways... lol you just slant things to fit your arguement at the time.

but i forgot, its okay for pierce to not carry his team... but god forbid joe johnson not carry his team lol


okay... in response to both quotes, i have said time and time again that both tmac and AI are better if you are talking about total careers. im talking about now. you just listed **** that has nothing to do with now, a whole bunch of past accomplishments which are irrevelant to this discussion.

damn i cant believe u really made me do this. i was trying to take the high road and not get into it with u cuz i know your just pissed that the warriors didnt make the playoffs and the hawks did (which is leading to all this hate) but u just dont know when to stop lol...

if this isnt i dont know what is

Originally Posted by FlawlessVictory

Pro-scouting report on Joe:
HoopsHype - NBA Players - Joe Johnson



What separates JJ from many guys? It's the versatility to play and guard multiple positions which these other guys cannot do. It's the ability to play off-ball as a shooter like he did in Phoenix and rack up 45%+ from 3. It's the ability to play on-ball as a facilitator and rack up 5-6 assists per game. It's the ability to simultaneously play on-ball as a primary scorer and create out of double teams for himself and teammates. Joe's completeness as a player separates him. There are no holes in his floor game. He plays defense well, he passes great, he can score with the best of them, he has the sweet stroke from deep and in the mid-range, AND he can post.

His holes are in his mentality (and explosiveness/in-game athleticism as I talked about last time) as I haven't believed Joe is truly committed to winning ever since he wanted to be traded to the Hawks from the Suns for the sake of getting more minutes, points, and money. It didn't help when he said, "I am no one's Pippen." I can respect Joe's desire to carve his own place in the NBA hierarchy, but it's just a shame that he doesn't want to accept a #2 role because I, personally, believe he'd be the best in the league in that role. He wouldn't have to create EVERY quality look for himself and others and he wouldn't have to dominate in the clutch where he has struggled. I can't even imagine what type of numbers Joe would post in a fast paced system like they run in Denver if he was the #2 option. It would be crazy. Probably 20+ on 50 FG% and easily above 40% from 3.

I can understand where the T-Mac and AI comparisons are coming. T-Mac's game has dropped off a cliff this year(from his Magic days). He's only shooting 43% on his jumpers. I wouldn't take Joe over T-Mac for the simple reason that I think Tracy is easily a better player when you slide him over to the three and let him work on slower guys at the mid-wing. Face him up from 18-22 feet and he'll kill. Give him the ball at the top of the arch and have him break down 2 guards? He can't do it anymore at the level of dominance he used to possess. The injuries have taken that away.

I respect AI's game to death, but I would NEVER have him on my team and, though I think AI is better overall, I would JJ over him if I was starting a team and there is no question about that in my mind. AI can't handle 2 guards, but he's a 2 guard offensively. Well, that might not seem significant but it means you need a guy who is a 1 guard but can guard 2 guards. How many guys in this league are 6'4" or 6'5", big, and strong but also play PG? Not many. That is why it is so hard to win with AI. They had to have prime Eric Snow who was a defensive force to make it work with Philly. Not to mention, AI sucks at guarding PGs too. AI is infinitely better at shouldering the load and carrying his team in the clutch, but, if I was a GM, no way do I want someone as small and as bad defensively as AI.

Like I said above, I can understand where a Hawks fan is coming from on this one and I agree with most of what Duke and FalconFrenzy are saying. Apparently so do the professional scouts, to a degree, so maybe yall should open your ears just a little bit and try to notice the some of the things people are saying about JJ next time you get a chance to see the Kid Hawks.

Originally Posted by dukegotgame

you gotta love people who jump into a thread without even reading and comprehending the first post lol

Originally Posted by FalconFrenzy

The way you're defining elite is different though.There are many more elite players than that.

Originally Posted by Terror 9999

Ur first post didn't really show any proof....& u dismiss the the rest of the team, Mike Bibby made that team good enough to just squeek by not to mention u have Al horford who was a rookie of the year canidate....all I seen was a bunch of hypeness over 1 playoff series

Originally Posted by Terror 9999

Duke why are u postin shyt that not even in this thread.....

Originally Posted by dukegotgame

mike bibby? he scored 0 points the second half and was terrible the first three games. horford is a rookie and while he had great games the first three, he didnt do anything tonight. johnson and smith scored the hawks last 32 points this game i believe.

the celtics supporting cast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the hawks so dont even try to go there

Originally Posted by Terror 9999

Again ur basing this off of 1 playoff series that hasn't even ended yet